/**
* vBulletin 3.8.7 CSS
* Style: 'Guild Wars Guru V3B'; Style ID: 13
*/
body
{
background: #AB9C7F;
color: #000000;
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
a:link, body_alink
{
color: #750000;
}
a:visited, body_avisited
{
color: #750000;
}
a:hover, a:active, body_ahover
{
color: #BD6F01;
}
.page
{
color: #000000;
}
td, th, p, li
{
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.tborder
{
background: #9E8C70;
color: #000000;
border: 1px solid #000000;
}
.tcat
{
background: #AC9D86 url(../Img/forumT2_catbg.gif) repeat-x top left;
color: #3C3326;
font: bold 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.tcat a:link, .tcat_alink
{
color: #3C3326;
text-decoration: none;
}
.tcat a:visited, .tcat_avisited
{
color: #3C3326;
text-decoration: none;
}
.tcat a:hover, .tcat a:active, .tcat_ahover
{
color: #000000;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.thead
{
background: #423A2F url(../Img/forumT2_headbg.gif) repeat-x top left;
color: #D8B98D;
font: bold 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.thead a:link, .thead_alink
{
color: #D8B98D;
}
.thead a:visited, .thead_avisited
{
color: #D8B98D;
}
.thead a:hover, .thead a:active, .thead_ahover
{
color: #BD6F01;
}
.tfoot
{
background: #AC9D86 url(../Img/forumT2_catbg.gif) repeat-x top left;
color: #400F0B;
}
.tfoot a:link, .tfoot_alink
{
color: #400F0B;
}
.tfoot a:visited, .tfoot_avisited
{
color: #400F0B;
}
.tfoot a:hover, .tfoot a:active, .tfoot_ahover
{
color: #000000;
}
.alt1, .alt1Active
{
background: #DFD5BF;
color: #750000;
color: #000;
}
.alt2, .alt2Active
{
background: #FBF8ED;
color: #000000;
background: #cbc1ab;
}
.inlinemod
{
background: #FFFFCC;
color: #000000;
}
.wysiwyg
{
background: #F5F5FF;
color: #000000;
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 5px 10px 10px 10px;
padding: 0px;
}
.wysiwyg a:link, .wysiwyg_alink
{
color: #22229C;
}
.wysiwyg a:visited, .wysiwyg_avisited
{
color: #22229C;
}
.wysiwyg a:hover, .wysiwyg a:active, .wysiwyg_ahover
{
color: #FF4400;
}
textarea, .bginput
{
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.bginput option, .bginput optgroup
{
font-size: 10pt;
font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.button
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
select
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
option, optgroup
{
font-size: 11px;
font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.smallfont
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.time
{
color: #6E480D;
}
.navbar
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.highlight
{
color: #FF0000;
font-weight: bold;
}
.fjsel
{
background: #A79983;
color: #000000;
}
.fjdpth0
{
background: #A79983;
color: #000000;
}
.panel
{
background: #DFD5BF;
color: #000000;
padding: 10px;
border: 2px outset;
}
.panelsurround
{
background: #888272;
color: #000000;
}
legend
{
color: #000000;
font: 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.vbmenu_control
{
background: #591E1E url(../Img/forumT2_menubg.gif) repeat-x bottom left;
color: #DFBF82;
font: bold 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
padding: 3px 6px 3px 6px;
white-space: nowrap;
}
.vbmenu_control a:link, .vbmenu_control_alink
{
color: #DFBF82;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_control a:visited, .vbmenu_control_avisited
{
color: #DFBF82;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_control a:hover, .vbmenu_control a:active, .vbmenu_control_ahover
{
color: #DFBF82;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.vbmenu_popup
{
background: #FFFFFF;
color: #000000;
border: 1px solid #000000;
}
.vbmenu_option
{
background: #CFBA99;
color: 3B3323;
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
white-space: nowrap;
cursor: pointer;
}
.vbmenu_option a:link, .vbmenu_option_alink
{
color: 3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_option a:visited, .vbmenu_option_avisited
{
color: 3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_option a:hover, .vbmenu_option a:active, .vbmenu_option_ahover
{
color: #000000;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite
{
background: #BCA786;
color: #3B3323;
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
white-space: nowrap;
cursor: pointer;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:link, .vbmenu_hilite_alink
{
color: #3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:visited, .vbmenu_hilite_avisited
{
color: #3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:hover, .vbmenu_hilite a:active, .vbmenu_hilite_ahover
{
color: #3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
/* ***** styling for 'big' usernames on postbit etc. ***** */
.bigusername { font-size: 14pt; }
/* ***** small padding on 'thead' elements ***** */
td.thead, th.thead, div.thead { padding: 4px; }
/* ***** basic styles for multi-page nav elements */
.pagenav a { text-decoration: none; }
.pagenav td { padding: 2px 4px 2px 4px; }
/* ***** de-emphasized text */
.shade, a.shade:link, a.shade:visited { color: #777777; text-decoration: none; }
a.shade:active, a.shade:hover { color: #FF4400; text-decoration: underline; }
.tcat .shade, .thead .shade, .tfoot .shade { color: #DDDDDD; }
/* ***** define margin and font-size for elements inside panels ***** */
.fieldset { margin-bottom: 6px; }
.fieldset, .fieldset td, .fieldset p, .fieldset li { font-size: 11px; }
#toplinks{
font-family:Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #C1AE8B;
margin-top:0px;
font-weight: bold;
}
#toplinks a{font-family:Tahoma,Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;color: #8C7554;text-decoration: none;font-weight: bold;}
#toplinks a:hover{font-family:Tahoma,Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;color:#BD6F01;text-decoration: underline;font-weight: bold;}
.topwrap {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_topbg.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
height: 27px;
}
.headerwrap {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_headerbg.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
height: 183px;
}
.mmoguru {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_mmoguru.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 27px;
width: 112px;
}
.logowrap {
background-image: url(../Img/GuildWarsGuru_logo.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 183px;
width: 233px;
}
.headerR {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_headerR.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 183px;
width: 14px;
}
.topFORMarea {
width: 219px;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
.topwrap .topFORMarea form {
padding: 0px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px;
margin-left: 7px;
}
.topwrap .topFORMarea select {
background-color: #CCCCCC;
width: 200px;
}
.topdivider {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_topdivider.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 27px;
width: 2px;
}
.footerwrap {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_footerbg.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
height: 100px;
}
.footerL {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_footerL.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 100px;
width: 14px;
}
.footerR {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_footerR.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 100px;
width: 14px;
}
.headerADSarea {
height: 139px;
}
.tabArea {
height: 44px;
}
.navHome {
height: 44px;
width: 62px;
}
.navForums {
height: 44px;
width: 73px;
}
.navSkills {
height: 44px;
width: 61px;
}
.navCreatures {
height: 44px;
width: 87px;
}
.navAreas {
height: 44px;
width: 64px;
}
.navAuctions {
height: 44px;
width: 80px;
}
.footertext {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #FFF;
padding:5px;
}
#guru_list{position:absolute;top:2px;right:105px;margin-right:100px;z-index:100000}
#mmodb_list{position:absolute;top:2px;right:15px;margin-right:10px;z-index:100000}
#guru_list_a, #mmodb_list_a {color:#000000;font-weight:bold;background:transparent url(../Img/forum-) no-repeat;
width:153px;height:19px;line-height:19px;font-size:11px;font-weight:bold;display:block;text-align:center;
text-decoration:none;}
#guru_navitems, #mmodb_navitems {
background:#ab9c7f;
border:1px solid #353841;
position: absolute;
padding-top:20px;
width: 147px;
padding:0 2px;margin:0;
display:none;
left:0;
list-style:none;
z-index:100000;
}
#guru_navitems li, #mmodb_navitems li {margin-bottom:2px;}
#guru_navitems li a, #mmodb_navitems li a {color:#000000;margin-bottom:2px;}
/************************************************************************/
.t-footer {
clear:both;
position:relative;
height:635px;
}
.t-footer {
font:12px/1.5 Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
background-color:#151515;
height:635px;
text-shadow:0 -1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.6);
position:relative;
border-top:30px solid #262626;
}
.t-footer ul, .t-footer li, .t-footer h4 {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style: none inside none;
}
.t-footer a {
text-decoration: none;
}
.t-footer:before,.t-footer:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer a {
color:white;
font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.t-footer a:visited {
color:white;
}
.t-footer a:hover {
color:white;
text-decoration:none;
}
.t-footer a>strong {
color:#ff5f14;
}
.t-footer a>strong:hover {
color:white;
}
.t-footer h1,.t-footer h2,.t-footer h3,.t-footer h4,.t-footer h5,.t-footer h6 {
color:white;
font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
letter-spacing:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper {
width:1000px;
margin:0 auto;
padding:40px 0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper:before,.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer .t-footer-wrapper {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo {
float:left;
width:31.96667%;
margin-left:2.05%;
margin-left:0;
position:relative;
z-index:2;
border-right:1px solid #333;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo {
width:30.96667%;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup {
margin-bottom:15px;
margin-right:15px;
margin-top:-40px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup h1 {
background-image:url(../Img/curse-logo.png);
margin-bottom:15px;
width:225px;
height:93px;
text-indent:-99999px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup h2 {
font-size:12px;
font-weight:normal;
color:white;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup>strong {
font-weight:bold;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-signUp {
background:#262626;
-webkit-border-radius:8px;
-moz-border-radius:8px;
-ms-border-radius:8px;
-o-border-radius:8px;
border-radius:8px;
padding:15px;
margin:0 15px 30px 0;
text-align:center;
}
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font-size:20px;
font-weight:bold;
color:white;
line-height:1.2em;
text-shadow:0 1px 1px #000;
}
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margin-bottom:10px;
font-weight:normal;
color:#e6e6e6;
}
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background-color:#EA8F20;
background-image:0;
background-image:0;
background-image:0;
background-image:0;
background-image:linear-gradient(top,#ea8f20,#c56711);
-webkit-border-radius:4px;
-moz-border-radius:4px;
-ms-border-radius:4px;
-o-border-radius:4px;
border-radius:4px;
-webkit-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
-moz-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
-ms-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
-o-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
text-shadow:0 -1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.25);
border-color:#C56711 #C56711 #EA8F20;
border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1) rgba(0,0,0,0.1) rgba(0,0,0,0.25);
overflow:hidden;
color:#fff;
padding:10px 30px;
font-weight:bold;
font-size:16px;
display:block;
text-align:center;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks:before,.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks li {
float:left;
width:23.4625%;
margin-left:2.05%;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks li {
width:22.4625%;
}
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display:block;
}
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display:block;
margin:0 auto;
background:url(../Img/icon-social-links.png) no-repeat 0 0;
}
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width:64px;
height:26px;
background-position:0 0;
}
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background-position:0 -28px;
}
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width:37px;
height:27px;
background-position:-66px 0;
}
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background-position:0 -56px;
}
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width:16px;
height:32px;
background-position:-105px 0;
}
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background-position:-105px -34px;
}
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width:27px;
height:27px;
background-position:-39px -56px;
}
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background-position:-68px -56px;
}
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margin-left:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork {
float:left;
width:65%;
margin-left:2.05%;
border-top:1px solid #333;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork {
width:64.98333%;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork header>h4 {
position:relative;
top:-9px;
background:#151515;
padding:0 10px 0 0;
display:inline-block;
font-size:14px;
font-weight:bold;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-jumpLink {
float:right;
position:relative;
top:-9px;
padding:0 10px;
font-size:10px;
height:16px;
line-height:16px;
text-transform:uppercase;
font-weight:bold;
background:#383838;
-webkit-border-radius:6px;
-moz-border-radius:6px;
-ms-border-radius:6px;
-o-border-radius:6px;
border-radius:6px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-jumpLink:hover {
background:#ff5f14;
color:#fff;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured {
border-bottom:1px solid #333;
overflow:hidden;
padding-bottom:1.5em;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem {
float:left;
width:23.4625%;
margin-left:2.05%;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem {
width:22.4625%;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem:first-child {
margin-left:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem h4 {
text-indent:-9999px;
display:block;
width:146px;
height:102px;
background-repeat:no-repeat;
background-position:0 0;
margin:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-gw2g h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-gw2g.png);
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-lolpro h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-lolpro.png);
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-mmoc h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-mmoc.png);
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-gw2db h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-gw2db.png);
}
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display:block;
cursor:pointer;
}
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background-position:0 -102px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem dl {
margin:0;
background:#262626;
-webkit-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-moz-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-ms-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-o-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-webkit-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
-moz-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
-ms-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
-o-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
width:126px;
padding:5px 10px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem dl dt {
font-weight:bold;
color:#fff;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem dl dd {
margin:0;
font-size:11px;
white-space:normal;
line-height:13px;
color:#ddd;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse {
position:relative;
padding-left:170px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse:before,.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li>a {
position:absolute;
left:0;
width:150px;
font-weight:bold;
color:#4b4b4b;
text-shadow:0 1px 0 #000;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li>a.j-selected,.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li>a:hover {
background:#2c2c2c;
color:#ff5f14;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li.t-footer-coreLinks>a {
top:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li.t-footer-communityLinks>a {
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Buyout Posted:Perfect Echovald Shield Set. Strength Reqs only! 7 Perfects - Guild Wars Forums - GW Guru
Oct 20, 2011, 02:31 AM // 02:31
#1
Desert Nomad
Buyout Posted:Perfect Echovald Shield Set. Strength Reqs only! 7 Perfects
So i havent logged into Guild Wars in about 3 months since I got back to school and figured i wont be playing anymore. My weapons Have been customized but i figure someone might need this set for their collection more than i do(and hopefully they will make use of the set)
Good luck, ill check back every few days, Send me a pm if you have any pressing matters, it will be sent to my email which i check daily
Selling as a SET ONLY
Post your offers, starting bid will be 500ecto on the set
S/b 500ecto
c/o 1400ecto
R/b 1750ecto
B/o 2000ecto
Dont bother pming me asking for a buyout price, if you want to make a B/o offer, feel free, but dont ask me for a price. If i see interest i will gladly post a r/b and after that i will post a b/o.
Last edited by teh bestest is here; Nov 10, 2011 at 06:31 PM // 18:31 ..
Oct 20, 2011, 06:58 AM // 06:58
#2
Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Guild: Gamer In Real Life[GIRL]
Profession: W/
696e on set.
Sell it as set is not a good idea :/
I already have the -2ench/30hp twice >< and i don't want it in 3! ><
Oct 20, 2011, 04:07 PM // 16:07
#3
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Apr 2011
Guild: Teh Academy [PhD]
1000e set
....................
Oct 21, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56
#4
Desert Nomad
bump this up. thanks for the offers but still not too great
Oct 23, 2011, 08:08 AM // 08:08
#5
Desert Nomad
fairly unexcited by the interest thus far
Oct 23, 2011, 09:19 AM // 09:19
#6
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Belgium
Guild: Whats Going On [sup]
Profession: Mo/
1400e on the set
Oct 24, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52
#7
Desert Nomad
Updated the picture, i accidentally excluded the +30 -5(20%) echovald. This should increase offers a bit i Hope. Ill set a reserve soon
Oct 26, 2011, 02:23 AM // 02:23
#8
Desert Nomad
reserve-1750ecto
buyout- 2000ecto
Nov 01, 2011, 07:07 PM // 19:07
#9
Desert Nomad
b u m p............
Nov 06, 2011, 05:40 AM // 05:40
#10
Desert Nomad
Bring it up, probably gonna close soon due to lack of interest
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